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KajiwaraSora wrote:

the_laughing_fool wrote:

linkman0596 wrote:

part of anime logic is that there's still a logic to it.

This conversation is going no where. I am 100% sure that Diable Jambe is not Haki. He learned that in the Enies Lobby Arc, before we even had an idea of what Haki was. Saying that was foreshadowing makes about as much sense as saying Enel saved Luffy in Logue Town.

I totally agree with you, it isn't like Haki was foreshadowed in the first chapter of the manga. Also it's funny how you chose Enel as an exemple as it happened before Enies Lobby and mantra was also Haki.

That's sort of my point. People take information we know now and say it applies to a time when it wasn't relevant. Shanks probably didn't use Haki to defeat that Sea King. If he did, the Sea King would have passed out as opposed to running away. And I see mantra as being incorporated into Haki after Haki was more rationalized. I'm sure Oda had an idea of what Haki was going to be like, but I doubt he knew everything he was going to do with it back when he first started this adventure.

It was? When? I looked up the chapter where they explained all forms of Haki (where Luffy was flashing back to other examples of it), and Shanks never came up.

edit: And I looked up the Wiki. They do say that Shanks used Haki there, but they have nothing to back it up.

Last edited by the_laughing_fool (2012-07-17 06:40:33)

linkman0596 wrote:

what about when he uses it on whitebeard's crew?  was that not haki either just because it was shown as being more or less the same power that he used against the sea king and happened before haki was introduced?

I thought that when Shanks set foot on Whitebeard's ship, several members of his crew dropped to the ground unconscious. And I'm starting to lose focus on what we're arguing about. If we're going to continue, maybe we should start another thread for this?

I'll throw my two cents into this.

My guess is that Oda had the idea for haki from the get go as with the evidence by Shanks and the Sea King.

As the series went along Oda had a better idea and came up with the conquer's haki and changed it from scaring people off, to knocking them out. Evidence being the meeting with Shanks and Whitebeard on his ship. Which to my knowledge was the next known instance of haki being used after the Sea King, could be wrong there though.

When Oda came up with mantra and probably thought it was so cool he decided to make it a form of haki (pure hopeful speculation here) and have it show up again throughout the series.

He probably also came up with the armor haki because he saw down the road that Luffy would probably have to fight more logia users after Skypiea. So he had to figure out some sort of way for Luffy to hit a Logia type with his abilities and have it make sense. He sidestepped the issue with Eneru by making him a lightning user but knew he had to come up with something for the rest of the logias.

WinCH wrote:

Was just reading wiki, and on the Vergo page it states that we have yet to seen him display the use of Haki despite it being stated before that Vice Admiral ranked Marines all possess haki. This implies that what he did to the bamboo stick is part of his ability. Guess only time will tell (DAMN NO CHAPTER THIS WEEK!! D: ). One thing we do know is that whether it's haki or DF ability or something else, the effect was that the bamboo stick was hardened... similar to Luffy's Armament Haki: Hardening.

But seriously... I need a chapter this week T^T

I have a theory on that.

Haki wasn't truly explained until the timeskip. From Luffy's point of view haki was a mysterious thing he couldn't see or understand.

Also remember that in Amazon Lily, we learned that the Amazons could embue their weapons with haki (arrow attacks).

Fast forward after the timeskip and now Luffy fully understands and has been trained in haki, he can now "see" it being used by other people. So now us manga readers have also "leveled up" and can now see things in the One Piece world at this higher level.


One way we will be able to test this theory is when we see Sentoumaru use haki again. We found out he was using the armored haki during the sabondy fight pre-timeskip. There was no black discoloration then. If that happens now post-timeskip, that would be some pretty good evidence that it is armored haki and that Vergo transferred it to the weapon and hit Law with it..

Last edited by WolfWood37 (2012-07-18 00:37:53)

Not sure if it was posted before.

Maybe he got lost? A sense of direction so bad, it manages to elude the attention span of its creator

Galaxy Crisis wrote:

Killer's not a captain, last time I checked; he's part of Kid's crew.

Well if they were showing all of the supernovas....then why is Zoro not pictured? Its possible he left Kidd's crew in the two years. The Jolly Roger on Killer's shirt is different.

WolfWood37 wrote:

Galaxy Crisis wrote:

Killer's not a captain, last time I checked; he's part of Kid's crew.

Well if they were showing all of the supernovas....then why is Zoro not pictured? Its possible he left Kidd's crew in the two years. The Jolly Roger on Killer's shirt is different.

you could be right about that one.

This is Kid's jolly roger.


Maybe Killer's the one that gave Kid the scar.

Tharkûn wrote:

Could also be Kid split his forces up, like Whitebeard and probably some of the other yonkou who had/have multiple ships under their command.

I was thinking something along these lines too... but then that wouldn't explain the exclusion of Zoro; it's a tenuous reason at best...

Maybe it's just Killer's own personal roger, like how the Straw Hats have their own jolly rogers?

Buu_The_Cherub wrote:

did everyone forget that animals have instint??? if a animal "detects/sees" a person or thing much more badass and is threatening it then it it will retreat

for all you know in the first ep shanks was PISSED! and we know he was already badass so it probably just picked up on that and realised it just bit the wrong guy litterally

occam's razor, simplest explanation is that since shanks is later shown as a haki user, it was haki, so that's the most likely answer

WinCH wrote:

Tharkûn wrote:

Could also be Kid split his forces up, like Whitebeard and probably some of the other yonkou who had/have multiple ships under their command.

I was thinking something along these lines too... but then that wouldn't explain the exclusion of Zoro; it's a tenuous reason at best...

Sure it would, a captains someone who commands a ship. Zoro doesn't, maybe Killer does.

Also there where plenty of captains working under Whitebeard, who (still) bore their own jolly roger. Just check out the siege on Marineford.

Last edited by Tharkûn (2012-07-24 07:56:53)

Buu_The_Cherub wrote:

linkman0596 wrote:

Buu_The_Cherub wrote:

did everyone forget that animals have instint??? if a animal "detects/sees" a person or thing much more badass and is threatening it then it it will retreat

for all you know in the first ep shanks was PISSED! and we know he was already badass so it probably just picked up on that and realised it just bit the wrong guy litterally

occam's razor, simplest explanation is that since shanks is later shown as a haki user, it was haki, so that's the most likely answer

if it was haki Shanks wouldnt have needed to get his arm bit off he could have hit it way before that with haki, luffy stopped the navy with his haki and luffy was way less trained then shanks would have been

its obvious haki never existed back then so even if it was made hundreds of chapters later it should have 0 bearing on the chapters before haki was even conceived, the fact that people are arguing over this is just DBZ

I think the version of Haki we now know of didn't exist at the start of the story, but I think the use of 'willpower' was Oda's original concept he based Haki around. Not just the 'Will of D'. but those who have such a high level of will that they can overcome and influence those around him.

This power of will was shown when Shanks scared off the sea monster, and has been used by Luffy on occasions to continue to fight and win almost every seemingly impossible battle. I think Zeff commented on this fact to Sanji during the battle with Don Krieg.

So no real reason to fight over if one thing or the other was really Haki; the early concept is there and has been refined over the past 600+ chapters.